Re: Study Hall.

[Del.]

Funnily enough, I had the same thoughts running through my head whilst reading those prophecies.
I can certainly believe the Muslim scenario though 100%.

Better get yer copies of the Koran while stocks last

I think they are all sold out Bern...

[Jim]

I can certainly believe the Muslim scenario though 100%.

The "Muslim scenario" today would be the terrorist aspect, like in history it would be connected to mentally unstable (pick a cause) controllers. I find it odd, like the 911 scenario's connection to Virgo rising (and the beginning - Operation Amalgam Virgo), this Muslim movement is also connected to the "feminine aspect" via the name ... ISIS.

I'm telling you, there more going on here than anyone sees.

[sunbern]

we shall see ( as the prophecy goes ) only another 11 months.i reakon the British public would do well to opt out of Europe

[Jim]

I wouldn't worry about it ... this SEEMS to be the overall context. I'd really like to find a sound collection and translation.

2010 – World War III. War will begin in November 2010 and end in October 2014. Will begin as usual, then nuclear will be used initially, and then chemical weapons.

2011 – As a result of the fallout of nuclear fallout in the northern hemisphere will not be any animals or vegetation. Then Muslims will wage war against chemical surviving Europeans.

2014 – Most people will suffer skin cancer and other skin diseases (a consequence of chemical warfare).

2016 – Europe almost lonely (empty).

[Jim]

Not for nothing, but it's 2016 and one would think that by now translating a text would be easy - umm - not so much it seems.

I found this PDF .. http://www.otzvuk.com/Knigi/New%20books/Baba_Vanga/Krasimira%20Stoianova%20-%20istinata.pdf

... got it over to a .doc file, looked for .doc translators, tried PDF translators and only could get the first 5 pages done Translation is what it is ... I dunno.

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Vanga - clairvoyant ... Krasimira Stoyanova
This book is brought everything written so far from me, for life and psychic gift of Vanga. Are added and unpublished texts, pages about events surrounding her last days on earth. So get one collection, which hopefully gives a complete picture of the person and clairvoyant ability of the Bulgarian prophetess.
Recovering different memories, stories and events and I, my family as the relatives of Vanga lived many years near her, knowing the great responsibility we bear for the portrayal and activities of Vanga in its true light, so we have not allowed any liberties or explanations, we are describing all seen and heard with
solely to preserve the truth and to present to the reader at recent testimony to the life of this extraordinary woman.
Krasimira Stoyanova
END

Clearly remember everything like it was yesterday. On August 3, 1996 early morning phone ringing woke me up. I was worried. Such early tone never good. It was my mother. Many worried explained that Aunt
Emergency was taken to Sofia with a car because she felt very bad, but she did not know what hospital is housed. No one had notified the condition of her sister. By chance a friend of ours from Bansko, which was
Roupite called to make a wooden door, she saw that introduced in Vanga a car, and the driver knew that he would travel to Sofia. No accompanying medical officer and prosecutor Petrich - Dimitar Valchev, one of the
immediate surroundings of Vanga, announcing to her "adopted son." Weeping anxiety, my mother asked me to find out where her sister was taken her and what she is. Very difficult. Vanga where to look? In Sofia hospitals lot, but I began to call fro meant to provoke other people's curiosity and anticipation of impending journalists intriguing event. I wondered what to do, but ultimately rested again to press.
I have many friends and colleagues who work in different newspapers and magazines, so I called a friend from the newspaper "Trud". She immediately began to work and only after about two hours told me that Vanga was admitted to the ER the Government Hospital that access is forbidden, and no one medical staff does not communicate anything even deny that my aunt is there. Immediately I called my mother in Sandanski and asked her immediately He came to Sofia. Afternoon was already home. We called the hospital and since We are her only relatives were invited to visit her. My mother sensed that her sister became very serious, and could no longer occupancy, wept continuously.
Introduced were the first in the office of the head of the clinic Dr. Gerasimov, who explained that the state of Vanga is serious because it is brought heavily damaged by road. She was malnourished and dehydrated. He told us that will lead us to her, but you stand very little, so as not to exhaustion further and to not interfere with team doctors have begun emergency procedures fluids.
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Several floors, which walked us seemed awfully high. Every
He knows how it feels when you went to the hospital when ill. My knees are
buckling of concern.
They took us in the ER. Vanga was placed alone in the room and around
It bustled doctors and nurses. It was placed on systems. Her
I saw horrified to. Was strong and powerful Vanga? The higher bed
It could be seen wrapped half a pile of human flesh, so small
and dry, though there lay a child. Her face was yellow skin and
bones, and it seemed as if asleep. When I called her that we came, waved
head that we hear. The atmosphere was very depressing. We did not know what to
He says the sight aroused great pity. My mother did not last and
cried so took her outside. I stood near the bed because Vanga
his lips moved as if something wanted to tell me. I leaned over her, but nothing
I did not understand. She whispered, but nothing I could not understand. Saying "give" and
then any diminutive words like "banichka" or "bath" ... I thought
He wants something to eat, but she turned his head negatively. I finally understood.
He told me: "Give me your hands!" I held her hand and she very gently,
as there were forces squeezed it, then whispered, "Excuse me!" made ​​me
ruined. Great, God's chosen Vanga wanted forgiveness from me, its
niece that I have provoked so much from her childhood,
so until her last days. Never until now I had not received so
an important lesson in generosity, forgiveness and humility. This was the greatest
moment in my life! I did not know I could not say anything. As I pulled myself together, I
only to whisper that I'm the one who has to ask for forgiveness
bitterness that I have caused her. By squeezing the hand felt clear:
my aunt told me that goes.
We came back overwhelmed by grief. Home all night discussing who
more to call, what to ask for help. We could not and did not want to
We believe that Vanga died. I called my sister, a doctor who lives in
Greece, and immediately asked her to come, because doctors allowed to participate
the team that treated our aunt. After three days my sister came. Exactly one
week to the death of Vanga not out of the hospital and not separate from it.
When we were there, she informed us by telephone what
the condition of the patient. It was better because we stood and, with nothing
we could not help - only prevents doctors and their annoyingly
questions. I understand that Vanga now stabilized, now responds well
systems, sometimes worse.
The press went wild. The hospital phones overheating. Every newspaper
out materials where made ​​various assumptions
disease and condition of Vanga. Various medical interviewed
specialists, make inquiries on the streets you worry people
state of Vanga. Days it was number one news and displace even the
important political events. At one time the situation became so
irresistibly, the chief doctor called us and asked us to solve doctors
formally acknowledge the disease Vanga and explain what exactly treated. For
the first time in the hospital room loudly pronounce the word "cancer." Vanga
She had breast cancer several years, but was refused hospital treatment
and her cancer was localized at home with medication. And right
was already years, her disease progressed slowly, but so, I can not
explain how he endured pain, squabbling about the construction of the church,
endless string of seeking her help people from all over the world
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which it still helps.
Once we gave consent for disclosure, the other day on the radio
TV and newspapers came out officially message disease
Vanga and its treatment. People were shocked. All lived with the thought
Vanga is eternal, it will always be with us and will always help us. Many of them
They wanted to believe that she is mortal.
It must be clear that ultimately Vanga not died of cancer, and
exhaustion and dehydration. As I said, the cancer was calcified, and the black
Liver metastases were only two, which according to experts, gives her a chance
because of her age to live more years. But after many liquids
in her system first damaged kidneys, heart and then eventually
this led to her death. But it is our opinion and formal reason
because she knew that just has come their way and must go away from this
world.
On August 6, the Orthodox Church celebrates the feast of the Transfiguration
Lord. We went with my mother in a nearby monastery to pray for
Health Vanga. On this day in churches is dealt grapes. Some
people knew us and a moment later all believers of the monastery rushed
towards us. They gave us in the hands of the illuminated fruit bunches to take him to Vanga
when ye eat thereof, to recover. We do not carry any bag with him. Hands
They are laden with aromatic grapes. We took then Vanga and nakvasihme
cracked lips with a little grape juice. In her expression we knew that
pleased because he was donated by the people.
The same day, the press announced that in Chech - in the Rhodopes region with compact
Bulgarian Mohammedan population - people from five villages with their imams are
started daily prayers in their mosques to give Allah health
Vanga. They loved her and respected because Vanga not separated people religions
or nationalities and equally helped at all.
Bulgarian Christians also make prayers and vigils for the health of Vanga.
We received many letters and telegrams from all over the country where
completely unknown to us people offering any help and encourage us
to keep his temper in these hard days worrying. Usually obtained
letters through the offices of the newspapers.
For life will be grateful to those people because of their
empathy and understanding that showed to us and gave us strength
confidence that in adversity we are not alone.
In fact, everything was in a dream or a movie with our participation. On
August 10 at noon Vanga looked better than before. As if
improvement. He spoke more understood and stronger. I had about it, my brother,
my mother and my sister. We talked her face was fresh and probably heals. But
our aunt suddenly spoke otherwise. Said her sister, our mother that
when he dies, her sister is obliged to fulfill the Christian ritual
funeral because it is the duty of the relatives of the deceased. Completely
detailed determine the clothes to be buried, and where exactly are
they at her home in Petrich. It had them long ago. He said who wants to wear
her coffin - be eight men and all to say Dimitar. It was not
no problem - Vanga, as I wrote, is godmother to many children and
many bear the name Dimitar, the name of her beloved husband, who died 42
years. My brother also bears that name.
It became clear that Vanga forgive us. Most of the time she spoke, and
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we were silent. Each of us gave advice on how to pursue your life more
on how to protect their families, how to educate their children, how to
We care mostly for their souls. And all the people leave best
legacy: "Love, because you are all my children!"
We understand very well why so purposeful conversation waters
right direction. Our hearts shrank by grief, but Vanga did not allow scene
become sinister. She was cheerful, relaxed, even happy that we end it.
He kept his hand on my sister and felt better if it is to
thereof. He spoke in a calm voice, as if it was not about her death, and
for someone else - without fear and worry. Speaking as a business woman
home maker who goes on holiday and provides guidance on how to close
manage the house while gone. Although it is ridiculous to mention it here
Once again I marveled at her composure and firmness. With none
word did not complain, did not regretted the contrary, it dies, our
overwhelmed with kindness and love, and we felt somehow protected to death
Her bedstead. From the mental point of view it is impossible to describe -
no words for feelings that are intertwined in us: we were somewhat calmer, even
after all heard and nobody cried. But we had experience
small. Vanga taught us and not allow us to cry for the dead people,
because in the way of their souls exalted and pull them down
to our sorrow.
How we came home, I do not remember. Now there was no doubt
that the life of Vanga counting his last moments on earth.
But the same day evening (August 10, Saturday) it dramatically improved. Face
It cleared the, her cheeks flushed. She was cheerful and in good
mood - my sister told me. He wanted to wash well - face, hands,
the whole body. Even wanted to put her perfume. My sister constantly
had a feeling about her bed form an invisible flickering
cloud - like haze, but attributed it to fatigue. At one point Vanga
He looks happy, because he said that he sees all the dead relatives
friends around him. Talk to them. Even invited them to sit beside her.
She named her husband, my father, my mother, our father, many of her deceased
now friends. In the next half hour talking with the dead. Was very
lively and horny. He turned my head to the left, to the window of the hospital
room where it stood, according to her father and told him that tomorrow will go to
thereof. Then solemnly declared: "And the angels came to wait for me." And something
very strange: "And the animals came from the planet." He told my sister,
I was hungry and wanted water and bread. Brought her a glass of water. Sipping her three sips
and strangely, asked my sister to drink from it - also three sips. What
was this ritual, we can not explain. My sister asked the attendant to
Prepare a small sop. But where at five o'clock in the morning to find bread? While
Vanity and cruised, Vanga condition abruptly deteriorated.
Breathing became difficult. The duty team ran. A few hours doing
necessary, but it got worse and worse. Around 9:00 the morning of
the next day, Sunday was decided to do a tracheotomy - section of
throat, in which the tube is inserted in order to allow the patient to breathe. Just when
carrying out this procedure - in 10:05, the electricity suddenly
interrupted and the device tripped. A matter of seconds. At 10:10
Vanga surrendered ghost.
When my sister called to say that our aunt has just
He died, as if a bomb exploded in my house. We could not believe.
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Encouraged by her good fortune at night, we go to tightness
hospital and see her. The phone rings found us at the door ... From now
began biggest nightmare ...
My mother was in shock. And how! Left this world all alone,
without Vanga, who not only was her sister home, but her mother, it was her very
Moreover, was it. Well, that was us, my children! We went pointless
fro in the rooms and we could not organize and focus on
nothing. We had to get grain to travel to Roupite to prepare
funeral.
When evening arrived in the area, there were already many people.
They were realized on the radio that Vanga died and had to zavtekli
Her little house and the church. Until we get there, the town hall in Petrich
where Vanga lived before settling in Rupite, and in whose territory is
is famous locality, together with the "Vanga" were taken
initiative in their hands. Everywhere there were police and bodyguards to
take care of the order. People were coming continuously, although he knew that
Vanga's body will be brought for worship until the next day,
Monday to 18 hours. Throughout the night crying and praying for her soul
people lit candles in front of and inside the church and no one thought to go. On
the next day the whole place was black with people. Hundreds of mourners came with
Buses from all over the country. Relatives came from Strumica,
Macedonia, birthplace of Vanga. There were also her friends from Greece. IN
Petrich was declared mourning day and all public buildings waved black
flags. Bell Rupee beating from morning to deceased. This 12
August seemed the hottest day of my life. Noon thermometers already
They showed 40 degrees. At the same time of the first officials to arrive
worship our current President Mr. Petar Stoyanov, then candidate
president. Presented our condolences, each separately said several
words. Surrounded they immediately reminded journalists that in May, when
visited Vanga, it is predicted that it will be the future president of Bulgaria. And for
Once again he was not wrong.
Around 19:00 they brought the body of Vanga. He was laid in a white coffin
even makeup. I thought very ridiculous that if we looked somewhere
probably terribly indignant. Vanga did not approve cosmetics
as a way to beautify. He said that God has given each of his his
natural beauty, and if someone wants to look more beautiful, to do good works
to uplifting the soul and it animates the face of true beauty.
Vanga brought to the church and then put in the middle on a huge
refrigerated cabinet suitable concealed with cloth because the heat was unbearable and
the body would not be able to keep this kind of funeral to the next
day. He began worship of the remains. We bowed and
We sat around the coffin. Human line of people seemed to have no end.
I felt that the whole of Bulgaria is here. My mother was left completely without
Forces of grief, but we behave. We had to behave.
Superior impressed me the presence of
then Russian ambassador Alexander Avdeev, who also came to pay
tribute to Vanga. It was hot and her admirer and friend he had visited
several times. But the journalists said that pays homage not only its own
name, and especially on behalf of the entire Russian people, who knows Vanga and
bows with great respect to her talent and kindness.
Journalists opened to them a lot of work. Overnight
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интервюираха стотици хора и това като че ли беше най-истинското поклонение.

[Brenda Marguerite]

Blimey Jim just read your last long post. Took me ages to try to understand it. Done my head in. Good luck in transcribing all of that.

[sunbern]

scuse me just got to check out that voynich manuscript again

[Jim]

Blimey Jim just read your last long post. Took me ages to try to understand it. Done my head in. Good luck in transcribing all of that.

That's the problem ... you know as well as I do that people post stuff that isn't accurate, and list no "source" for what they say. I'd like a source ... but at this point it doesn't look like I'm going to get it.

[sunbern]

Don't beat yerself up over it buddy ,move on, if it happens then I guess it will get closer scrutiny but like Nostradamus we are no further forward ,might just be another et download as suggested for Einstein ,tesla ,newton et al .

[Jim]

Yeah, I can't find anything "original." I'm going to go through those 162 pages and track down dates and translate what is written around them. Maybe ...

[Jim]

OK, I give up ... there is no collected information regarding "prophecies" that has been translated - just bits and pieces that make you go WTF ARE THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT!? WW3? According the this "quote:"

"There won't be a third world war ..."
http://www.baba-vanga.com/2015/05/23/baba-vanga-predictions-and-are-they-phenomenon/

Initial conclusions based on at least this material ...

http://www.baba-vanga.com/2015/06/01/baba-vanga-contacts-with-extraterrestrials/

... shows she's schizophrenic at least, and there does seem to be a paranormal attachment in all this.

The above link was from this translation:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=bg&u=http://vanga.eu/%25D1%2587%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BA%25D1%258A%25D1%2582-%25D0%25B8-%25D1%2584%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BD%25D1%258A%25D1%2582-%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B3%25D0%25B0/&prev=search



Regarding alleged "prophecies" that have supposedly "come true" ... I need more information, and, of course, no one gives a source other than "she said" - and I don't work like that. I dunno ... you make up your own mind. This all sounds like the typical "internet BS" we have been surrounded by for years. There may be something there ... but without direct quote proof and more information, it's pointless.





See "extraterrestrial" link above.

[Del.]

IMO, definitely a schizophrenic.
My late wife's brother was a schizophrenic, and take it from me, that's just how he ranted on about certain subjects.

[Jim]

If the above initial conclusions are used as an example of the overall picture regarding the UFO subject and how people "handle" the data involved, there is a hovering question over it all: WHAT IF ... there was SOMETHING - we were SUPPOSED TO KNOW?

[Brenda Marguerite]

Jim do you know anything about the Yellowstone Volcano erupting? Read last week this was immenent, with a loss of massive lives. As i have followed this over the years, would appreciate your views on this. Thanks.

[sunbern]

i'll just throw this into the melting pot ,was having a conversation with a neighbour of mine today ,he and his wife are totally convinced that we are reincarnated and the levels are a reality ,he quoted the Dalai llama as being as near to God as humanity in its living form can get .He also said that people who are aware of having experiences akin to a previous life are in nearly every case living what almost amount to a tandem life and that the host of their body died in a traumatic way ( maybe there is a pattern there I don't know but strange I should open this to that very subject and I didn't instigate it ..Synchronicity strikes again ..

[sunbern]

Jim do you know anything about the Yellowstone Volcano erupting? Read last week this was immenent, with a loss of massive lives. As i have followed this over the years, would appreciate your views on this. Thanks.

I reakon it depends on whether you want the tourism promotion version or the apocalypse scenario Brenda      



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/when-will-yellowstone-supervolcano-erupt-again-scientists-might-have-worked-it-out-1508997




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