Re: Study Hall.

[Brenda Marguerite]

Yes i do think it would be logical to deduce that ,someone read it right and put the lid on it.The big question is who and why they thought it was not apprpriate to risk it becoming common knowledge .So if La voilette conceeded that you may be on to something, i don't get it because his lack of encouragement and lack of further discussion does seem to me as though he was also in the loop and was keeping you at arms length ?

[Jim]

Yes i do think it would be logical to deduce that ,someone read it right and put the lid on it.The big question is who and why they thought it was not apprpriate to risk it becoming common knowledge .So if La voilette conceeded that you may be on to something, i don't get it because his lack of encouragement and lack of further discussion does seem to me as though he was also in the loop and was keeping you at arms length ?

Well, you know the mentality of the 15th century (and onward) people ... this wouldn't have gone over well back then, so ... bury it.

As far as Dr L goes, this discussion was when I first started to look into this back in 2000 ... I had nothing else to talk about back then.
Technically, the translation attempt would be over the next few years, and I couldn't get anyone to help. My approach back then was this was Hebrew, and the first page was all I worked on because the second page didn't translate.
Recently. it seems AI claims it's Hebrew as well ... but, the arguments go on.
https://www.valuewalk.com/ai-mysterious-manuscript-hebrew/

[Brenda Marguerite]

Hmmmm makes sense to let A.I have a crack at it.Not sure but it looks as if it is still evading translation as nobody seems convinced by the trasnslation made so far .

[Del.]

Based on the fashion that the drawings were made in the book, it is believed that the mysterious manuscript is a treatise on women’s health.
Or put another way..
“A reference book of selected remedies lifted from the standard treatises of the medieval period, an instruction manual for the health and wellbeing of the more well to do women in society.”.....

Anyone can read into it and have their own theories and opinions...

[Jim]

Hmmmm makes sense to let A.I have a crack at it.Not sure but it looks as if it is still evading translation as nobody seems convinced by the trasnslation made so far .

What I found is that it's not the stereotypical "straight" translation ... for instance, there a word on page one that's not a "word" ... it's actually 3 words combined to help the confusion factor.

[Jim]

Based on the fashion that the drawings were made in the book, it is believed that the mysterious manuscript is a treatise on women’s health.
Or put another way..
“A reference book of selected remedies lifted from the standard treatises of the medieval period, an instruction manual for the health and wellbeing of the more well to do women in society.”.....

Anyone can read into it and have their own theories and opinions...

Hey Del ... feelin' better?

Yeah, but then why was there a scientifically accurate spiral galaxy in this "women's health" book?

[Brenda Marguerite]

" but then why was there a scientifically accurate spiral galaxy in this "women's health" book? "

I wondered that too ,i'm not convinced that explanation holds water water either.I guess the only explanation that sits ok with me is that it was the work of a genius mad person ( unless we are inclined to think out of the box ) We do seem to go to the places where most have thrown the towel in  !   .It would be nice to have a lucky break at some stage .Bring on 2024 lol  Glad you are feeling better Del .

[Jim]

" but then why was there a scientifically accurate spiral galaxy in this "women's health" book? "

I wondered that too ,i'm not convinced that explanation holds water water either.I guess the only explanation that sits ok with me is that it was the work of a genius mad person ( unless we are inclined to think out of the box ) We do seem to go to the places where most have thrown the towel in  !   .It would be nice to have a lucky break at some stage .Bring on 2024 lol  Glad you are feeling better Del .

They didn't know about spiral galaxies in the 15th century ... and as far as "mad genius" goes, the outer circle is the location of earth. I don't think you could be that "genius" to pull that off.

BTW, this pic is 15th century too. First one is a close up of the rear of the pic ... hmm ... wonder what he's looking at. Second one is the same pic but backed away.

https://www.history.com/videos/ufo-sightings-renaissance-artists

https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2023/08/The_Madonna_with_Saint_Giovannino_3.png

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Well - here we go again ...

[Del.]

Thanks fellas.  Feeling a lot better now the feverish crap has gone.

Happy new year to all..And as you said Jim, here we go again.   I wonder what 2024 will bring, apart from more rain..
It was a very quiet midnight last night it usually explodes with fireworks, I didn't hear any. but it was pouring it down.

Another theory on the Voynich thing is that he concocted it himself.

[Jim]

Thanks fellas.  Feeling a lot better now the feverish crap has gone.

Happy new year to all..And as you said Jim, here we go again.   I wonder what 2024 will bring, apart from more rain..
It was a very quiet midnight last night it usually explodes with fireworks, I didn't hear any. but it was pouring it down.

Another theory on the Voynich thing is that he concocted it himself.

Glad you're better.

I didn't stay up for another one these New Years drunken party episodes ... I went to bed about 9 - end of story.  

As far as the Voynich goes ... if it wasn't for the spiral galaxy pic, I'd have tossed this out the window years ago. Something happened that we'll never be able to put together. Was the rest of it all a burial of the verifiable data? SOMETHING was going on with ET back then, there's some of the oddest (UFO?) artwork out there I've ever seen.

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=594909691&hl=en&gbv=2&q=ufo+artwork+Renaissance+&oq=ufo+artwork+renisance&aqs=heirloom-srp..

[sunbern]

"the outer circle is the location of earth. I don't think you could be that "genius" to pull that off."

With remote viewing abilities  ?      Have a great new year guys ..
As far as the paintings go i kind of agree they belong in the same category as the voynicht manuscript .They do seem out of place .Frustrating is'nt it but i guess we will still be at it come the end of this year  

[Jim]

Frustrating is'nt it but i guess we will still be at it come the end of this year  

Life SEEMS TO BE constructivist based. Like the experience I had when I was a teenager and I asked when I was going to die. I got: "The first or second week of December of your 76th Year." Now is that by our method of calculating "age" ... by "birth?" Technically we are all (basically) 9 months older than out "birth" date. So if I was conceived in November of '48, then I'm 75 now, and will be 76 November of this year. So, do I die next December, or the next December, or - it's all wrong and who knows when it will happen (like everyone else)?

Thought I'd add this ...

[Del.]

Jacques Vallee sums up this phenomena in his book ''Wonders in the sky''

You will still be knocking about well into your eighties Jimbo.

Well that video certainly scrambled the small pea sized brain that I've got..

[Jim]

Jacques Vallee sums up this phenomena in his book ''Wonders in the sky''

You will still be knocking about well into your eighties Jimbo.

Well that video certainly scrambled the small pea sized brain that I've got..

''Wonders in the sky''
https://archive.org/stream/JacquesValleeChrisAubeckWondersInTheSkyUnexplainedAerialObjectsFromAntiquityToModernTimes/Jacques+Vallee%2C+Chris+Aubeck+Wonders+in+the+Sky++Unexplained+Aerial+Objects+from+Antiquity+to+Modern+Times_djvu.txt

As far as being here in my 80s ... ... we shall see.

[Del.]

What a brilliant book I could not stop reading it, but in that format when you close it down you've lost where you were reading. thanks for putting that link up Jim, a fascinating read..


If the soul is a "space shuttle," as religious tradition and folklore seem to suggest,
does it follow special laws of physics yet to be discovered? And what conclusion can we
draw from the multiplicity of current representations of other worlds? Simply that we live
in a state of advanced other-world pluralism, where the "coarse hypothesis of a separable
soul" is becoming obsolete. New models of mind, "inspired by cybernetics and artificial
intelligence, are replacing the old ones."

Later in his analysis Couliano remarks that "science itself has opened amazing
perspectives in the exploration of other worlds, and sometimes in other dimensions in
space. Accordingly, our otherworldly journeys may lead to parallel universes or to all
sorts of possible or even impossible worlds."

It is to such a journey that we invite the reader.

[Jim]

What a brilliant book I could not stop reading it, but in that format when you close it down you've lost where you were reading. thanks for putting that link up Jim, a fascinating read..

I just copy the text to Word ... this way I can make notes.

Click on "see other formats" .... you'll get a choice - here's the PDF version.

https://ia800500.us.archive.org/29/items/JacquesValleeChrisAubeckWondersInTheSkyUnexplainedAerialObjectsFromAntiquityToModernTimes/Jacques%20Vallee%2C%20Chris%20Aubeck%20Wonders%20in%20the%20Sky%20%20Unexplained%20Aerial%20Objects%20from%20Antiquity%20to%20Modern%20Times.pdf

[Del.]

Thanks Jim, I can open on the page I left at now..

''Word'' Blimey that goes back a bit, don't know what replaced word for windows 10.. Could be ''One Note''

[sunbern]

Yes i agree Del,and thanks for the book format ,it is well written and researched and i hav'nt read a better historical record anywhere..i feel certain we are being kept an eye on .( 1945 Hiroshima 1947 Roswell, and Kenneth Arnold sightings ) Too much of a coincidence and the neuclear shutdowns subsequently are proof enough to me that somebody with technologically greater abilities is keeping an eye on our neuclear capabilities...WE HAVE BEEN WATCHED FOR A VERY LONG TIME ...IMHO .

[Jim]

Yes i agree Del,and thanks for the book format ,it is well written and researched and i hav'nt read a better historical record anywhere..i feel certain we are being kept an eye on .( 1945 Hiroshima 1947 Roswell, and Kenneth Arnold sightings ) Too much of a coincidence  and  the neuclear shutdowns subsequently are proof enough to me that somebody with technologically greater abilities is keeping an eye on our neuclear capabilities...WE HAVE BEEN WATCHED FOR A VERY LONG TIME ...IMHO .

There'll never be a nuclear war ... ET won't let it happen. Guns - go ahead and do what you want ... but nukes will destroy the planet. As far as being watched ... yep, for thousands of years. My complaint is that this "evil" crap is based in a genetic screw up. Why they don't fix it is beyond me.

[Del.]

Who do you mean by ''THEY fix it''...... ET or our screwballs.

[Jim]

Who do you mean by ''THEY fix it''...... ET or our screwballs.

We don't know WHO created life on this planet. The overall picture shows (at least according to what we have as info) that all of this "intelligent" life is bipedal. Brain encased in a skull that sits on shoulders with a body that has two arms with hands, walks on two legs with feet.
Whoever was behind it, needs to realize this genetic base life is flawed ... especially regarding the brain. We have more problems in the brain-department than we can deal with. Our entire planet is run by non-empathic morons that simply don't care about you ... want everything ... live in luxury while we live in the dirt ... end of story. Why doesn't "whoever was behind this LIFE picture" FIX THE PROBLEM?

[sunbern]

Who do you mean by ''THEY fix it''...... ET or our screwballs.

It's beyond our science at the moment mate but quite possibly you know who upstairs is waiting for us to fix it ourselves one day ... AFTER ALL THEY SEEM TO HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF PATIENCE ( UNLIKE US ) Someone did'nt want me to say what i just typed out so suffice to say we are not yet ready .I personally think in a nutshell they are waiting for us to respect our fellow men and the planet and then our time will come to join their galactic federation ..IT MUST SIT SOMETHING LIKE THAT GIVEN THAT WE BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN WATCHING OUR PROGRESS FOR AT LEAST THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND OBVIOUSLY HAVE INFINATELY MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN WE DO ... ...

[Del.]

Well chaps, I could not have put it better than you two have just done.

We are going into dark waters, I have just been looking at that despot in north Korea puffing up his feathers displaying and parading his nuclear arsenal.

[Jim]

...I have just been looking at that despot in north Korea puffing up his feathers  displaying and parading his nuclear arsenal.  

Depending on who you read, Kim is labeled with either sociopathic "problems" / narcissistic "problems" or none at all. He allegedly has a psychopathic sister - so - it's in the genes.

If things were done right, a psychological evaluation should be done before ANY of these potential morons got into ANY office.

[sunbern]

"If things were done right, a psychological evaluation should be done before ANY of these potential morons got into ANY office."

puts me in mind of that song "watching the defectives " or was it detectives ? Anyway i see if Trump is cleared he will be free to run for president again heaven forbid ..

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