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Post  sunbern on Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:03 pm

Great stuff ,keep us up to speed and all the best of luck . sunny

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Brenda Marguerite on Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:49 pm

Good luck Jim, hope you get somewhere with them. Be about time you got someone interested.

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Post  Jim on Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:11 pm

We shall see ... right now it's quiet and she is reading the text. This is the first time I have been involved with a group of people who have had "experiences" ... and from what I have seen, there is the usual "problem" lurking in the shadows. If there's an experience that pushes reincarnation for example, I don't have a problem if it's real, it's just that it isn't verifiable in history. I went back to working on the Mellas / Caywood book text I made (The Other Sky) and that same picture pops up there ... I wrote:

People believe there are “higher spiritual-type beings,” which is fine, however, one would suppose these “higher beings” would manifest a little more “intelligence” than we see in these experiences, and would all be “working together” instead of generating confusion. For instance, reincarnation is brought up (like in other experience pictures), and if we take the topic of reincarnation, and we seek a history time-line for this belief, we get answers like this:

Q: How old is the idea of reincarnation and where does it come from?
Bharati: In its present form, the way people talk about it today, it is quite old, but it's not as old as people hope it would be. You have only a vestigial or marginal mention of something like transmigration in the older sections of the Veda. There is the first complete mention, though very brief, in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, which is quite old. But the real assumptions having to do with reincarnation come in the Puranic age, at the time that the Puranas were composed, and then of course, through Buddhism. So you might say that it reached a state of common acceptance, I would think, around 300 B.C., but not earlier. So it is old, but in its highly articulated form it is not so old — and the way it's talked about now, that's recent; that's "Theosophical Society."
http://www.ccel.us/reincarnation.chap3.html

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Post  Jim on Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:18 am

Well it's going good ... in fact the woman I have been talking with brought out an interesting point. I'm still trying to fit this together, but it seems the Red Serpent document approach was using a Kundalini explanational approach to describe what was going on. There is even a feminine reference in both approaches. I'm looking at this piece by Joseph Campbell right now, but if you google red serpent kundalini there's other stuff out there. It's all a bit confusing, but welcome to the "spiritual" approach vs hard data.
https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/literature-belief-sacred-scripture-and-religious-experience/6-masks-oriental-gods-symbolism

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Jim on Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:12 pm

Well, it went from "good" to "down the drain" ... I think the overseer on this site shut the woman down I was talking with. I give up ... it's all pointless.

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Brenda Marguerite on Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:23 pm

Sorry about that Jim. Wonder why that happened.? You were getting on so well with her.

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Post  Del. on Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:46 pm

Did they give you a reason they closed her down...??

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Post  Jim on Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:21 pm

I'm just going by the text I was sent yesterday. This group doesn't really do anything with "experiences" except to let people talk. They don't get involved in saying anything about anything, or interpreting anything, and the next day (today) the person I was talking to suddenly took that position too. We had been communicating via email, and I guess the overseer didn't like that either cuz she couldn't see what we were talking about. I dunno ... I did get one piece of interesting information that I'm going to make a notation on in my notes.

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  sunbern on Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:29 pm

All sounds a bit close to the god squad to me .The overseer put the brakes on it because freewill was taking over ,the truth is stitched up mate unless you get a breakaway researcher yer in treacle .It's just a shame she has been got at .
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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Jim on Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:08 pm

She wrote back ... we are talking again - I'm SO confused dunno

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  sunbern on Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:42 pm

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Jim on Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:16 am

I'm just gonna post this ... it's a 12 minute video and we can get into it if you want. The base idea is that the REAL "you" is your brain, and it lives in total darkness. "You" gather all the information you can via the senses, but it's what you DO with this "information" that counts. Do you have ENOUGH information to make the correct assessment?

Psychosis: Bending Reality to See Around the Corners | Paul Fletcher | TEDxCambridgeUniversity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV2RLLtOgL4



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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Del. on Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:18 am

Mmmm, sounds like deep stuff to me. scratch

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Post  Jim on Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:55 am

Del. wrote:Mmmm, sounds like deep stuff to me. scratch

Deeper when you toss people's "experiences" into the pot. I'm glad I did the EVP sessions I did a few years back for validation ... even more glad that "shoe insole" event happened (along with the black board knocks I got).

There's a problem with people's "experiences" (yeah this is coming from the "discussions" I had - and they have stopped again). People make determinations regarding said "experiences," come to conclusions ... but what if those "conclusions" are wrong? Where do you go from there? Technically, you have to start evaluations all over again - and if you've never used that technique in your approach - there CAN be (and usually is) a major short circuit in your brain - hence the "psychosis" reference.

All I can say thus far is that whoever was behind what I went through, was smart enough from the very beginning in the 1950s to use the constructivist approach ... it's all about "data" - not "mysticism." This "Kundalini" BS is at the top of the scale for "mysticism" and confusion ... and without a constructivist approach - it's over.

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  sunbern on Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:18 pm

you are welcome to join our project oric .you can ask questions direct to spirit through the team ( they have taken over where the scole project left off )    Let me know if you want a link ( Facebook project oric ) just remembered you dont do facebook ! not all sites degenerate into a bun fight mate joe's is very civilized .   Wink                        





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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Jim on Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:38 pm

I don't do social media dunno

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Del. on Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:28 am

Jim wrote:it's all about "data" - not "mysticism." This "Kundalini" BS is at the top of the scale for "mysticism" and confusion ... and without a constructivist approach - it's over.



I think I would be inclined to agree with that one.....

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Post  Jim on Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:51 am

Well she finished reading (the new version is 266 pages) ... really likes it ... now we see where it goes from here.

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Re: Study Hall.

Post  Jim on Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:37 am

And the answer is (drumroll) ... nowhere.

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Post  Brenda Marguerite on Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:16 pm

And we all wait with baited breath, for the answer. Take care Jim.

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Post  sunbern on Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:37 pm

Awww mate ,guess we just have the mega wave to look forward to and Devil take the hindmost ! .Thought something strange was gonna happen this afternoon the sky went a really weird colour but it was just our turn for a hurricane .Apparently it picked up a load of sand from the Sahara on it's way here ! hide

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Post  Jim on Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:41 pm

And now - her ex died ... dunno

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Post  Del. Yesterday at 6:03 am

alien Everything on the Alien/UFO subject has gone quiet, it seems to have died.. alien

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Post  Jim Yesterday at 7:20 am

Del. wrote:  alien   Everything on the Alien/UFO subject has gone quiet, it seems to have died.. alien
This subject has been beaten to death over decades of nothing but BS ... and the "spiritual experience" subject is just as bad. I've adopted a new term for it all - interpretational psychosis. You aren't officially "nuts" - but you sure sound like it. dunno

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Post  Brenda Marguerite Yesterday at 2:03 pm

Maybe they got lost in the sandstorm. Del.

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