Brenda Butlers scientific extraterrestrial downloads for discussion

[sunbern]

Brenda was `given' these message downloads by et's over a period of time during her many visits to Rendlesham forest during 2002.  "from planet to planet,north to south poles align with centre of star."     "there is a centre to everything,this is your answer "    .."the centre of everything is the whole " .,...." measure the 3 sides-4sides-2sides it will make a whole,one way is wrong one is right it works " ..."the centre of the world is a whole ,the centre of gravity is a whole and provides us with the gravitational pull to each other".....just some for starters absolutely no idea myself but I do believe the earths magnetosphere may have some significance in this not too sure though tbh Bernie   will post more tomorrow nite ....

[Jim]

So did Brenda have any clue?

[sunbern]

she has always said she is a conduit for message delivery ,what we all need are scientists to look at them and have a eureka moment .all we can do is post them wish I could be more helpful but out of my league I'm afraid,anyway here are some more :- east,west ,north ,south the poles are part of the gravitational pull....so are the seas,sun and moon ,understanding this is part of your research for the truth ....from a square within a circle and a circle within a square,walk on the right side of the stars( wondered if this may refer to the voynich galaxy map the right side maybe being the other side ? Bernie ) the centre to which you are aligned is the centre of 3 (work it out ) from 1 to the centre ,from 1-2 to centre ,from 2-3 to centre ,from 3 to centre,is your alignment 3x3=9, you have 3.9 wherever you look...brought together it is a collective mass of thoughts .."we could help your race to understand this but the governments of the world will not allow this to happen " "we have been coming through portals to your world for many thousands of years .the centre of alignment is what you need to find.....the earth still has many mysteries ...because of dimensional shifts one world goes into another through gravitational pulland creates a vortex ....... will post some more tomorrow ....

[sunbern]

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-9424.html perhaps ( I thought ) this may go some way to explaining the multi ( n,s,e,w ) polarity message...

[Jim]

I find this to be a massive problem. I can trace everything in my life over a period of 60 years, and NEVER ONCE was there a confusion level like this.

If we take the line "we could help your race to understand this but the governments of the world will not allow this to happen" as it sits, and apply it to my experiences as explanational truth, then it would explain why "no one ever directly told me ANYTHING." Everything was in pointed clues given in a constructivist methodology; it was ODD ... but it made sense.

Seeing as we are dealing with people and entities who are out there to confuse, logic would dictate this is another confusion method. I don't see, unless Brenda can clear this up, any other solution. I'm not trying to be a pain in the foot, but I work with 1+1=2 data ... and this isn't 1+1 data ... I'm not saying she isn't a conduit - I just want to know WHO.

east, west, north, south the poles are part of the gravitational pull....
so are the seas, sun and moon, understanding this is part of your research for the truth ....
from a square within a circle and a circle within a square, walk on the right side of the stars, the centre to which you are aligned is the centre of 3 (work it out) from 1 to the centre, from 1-2 to centre ,from 2-3 to centre, from 3 to centre, is your alignment 3x3=9, you have 3.9 wherever you look...brought together it is a collective mass of thoughts .."

[sunbern]

well someone must be interested we've had 30 views ( didn't realise there were so many out there interested in what we are saying ) PLEASE comment if you think you have any information that may help decipher what has come from our extraterrestrial friends ,we thank you if you are watching this but a little help would be very much appreciated ....

[sunbern]

more from brendas notes :- your negativity is holding back our contact.......the world thrives on conscious positive thoughts .......negative thoughts harm the atmosphere ....one day it will come right the world will be a mass of positive thoughts ........

[Jim]

Just curious ... anything about the event?

[sunbern]

lots and lots ,but I will let Brenda elaborate ,her life has been incredible jim some aspects similar to yours in a way ( body marks ,disappearances in the presence of others ( witnesses ) ) It happens as you well know.. we need to gain the confidence of those that instigate it in my opinion ,consciousness is the key word in all of this we need somehow to get the message across to the masses `they` have explained to us what we need to do ,as I have always maintained the human race is master of it's own destiny I guess in a nutshell we become what we think we want to be and at the moment aggression seems to be in the ascendency ( very sad ) .....

[Del.]

aggression seems to be in the ascendency  ( very sad ) .....

After watching this that got put up on OVNI Bernie, I can very well believe it.

[Jim]

... we need somehow to get the message across to the masses ...

Well I'm just gonna sit back and put my feet up and listen to what's said ... the floor is yours - go for it.

[sunbern]

thanks jim ,I will post the rest and see if anyone has a flash of inspiration...many people have read brendas book very few have commented ( thank you for yours dreamwalker ).....I think she is in your holding area jim downloads from et's no doubt but what are their meanings ...superwave on it's way but when where and how ....can we prove you both wrong no we cant ...I know Brenda personally she doesn't tell lies I KNOW that is true...

[sunbern]

ok " we could help your world to understand but your governments will not allow it " "we have been coming to your world through portals for thousands of years through space and time...." look for the centre of alignment "  earth has many mysteries because of dimensional shifts " " when planets collide they create a vortex "    "rendlesham forest is touching another dimension" " we travel interdimensionally we can go forwards or backwards in time "  we come to earth to carry out certain missions and to contact certain people .."  " we have to match some of your dna in order to make contact with you "  " some people have been selected ( programmed ) to gently accept us ..." "the spiritual pathway is the way  "         "  the atlanteans inform you that scientific numerology is wrong.numbers need to be altered .the sequences within the triangle will not function your allignment is the centre of three in your skies  lt dictates your destiny some are tracked by us ,they have implants placed in their bodies " "some of us use time machines "   " your governments know about transformation  of reality and have tried unsuccessfully to close the portals through which we travel "        there you have it ,it is what it is ,then there's the binary codes and symbols which if you want I can scan ,not just words on a screen ,statements and instructions for those who want to get closer .....the question is how ,why send this information if it is too difficult to understand ( it certainly is for me ) perhaps ( like much of Tesslers   work)we will grow into a time when it will all make sense ...

[sunbern]

I'm stumped too jim so i'll pull up a chair next to you and wait .....surely somewhere out there somebody knows something ,I know I keep harping on about it but if you read skycrash through time it will answer a lot of your questions ...and raise others for sure ...

[Jim]

thanks jim ,I will post the rest and see if anyone has a flash of inspiration...many people have read brendas book very few have commented ( thank you for yours dreamwalker ).....I think she is in your holding area jim downloads from et's no doubt but what are their meanings ...superwave on it's way but when where and how ....can we prove you both wrong no we cant ...I know Brenda personally she doesn't tell lies I KNOW  that is true...

Part of the approach regarding "building a picture" has to do with the elimination of bad material. In other words, it isn't simply linked to finding out what a thing IS - it's also linked to finding out what a thing ISN'T. The more material you can abandon because it's garbage, the easier the job gets.

As far as I am concerned, I'm NOT saying Brenda hasn't been "in contact" with beings ... I'm not there, you are. All I'm saying is that I have had conversations over decades with humans, and I know intelligence when I hear it. As far as these "aliens" go that she has been in contact with, these are the stupidest fu*king idiots I ever heard talk in my life. WTF is this new age rhetoric being used for? Do they not know how to speak intelligently? I'm guessing not. Do they ever say ANYTHING that's worthwhile? No.

Conclusions thus far, based on the pages you sent me: If she is in contact with some sort of etheric beings, they are NOT "aliens." In fact I will go as far as to say that if these "aliens" want to come and see me, I'll be waiting. I have NO problem being wrong ... it's all about the data. So come on down and pick me up if I'm wrong, and show me something intelligent.

PS - it has to be face to face ... I refuse to accept anything that even remotely resembles "a dream."

I know this is the approach that starts trouble with people all the time, but I have had enough of this crap pawned off as "alien-speak" by dead human spirits.

One day soon we will meet - we want you to be prepared for this (No Not Abducted) watch
and listen ~ you will not be harmed, you could call us your guardians of the skies -that is
what we are, to understand this you have to know us.

Well - I'm waiting ...

[sunbern]

how derogatory ,I will not comment other than to say read the book and know there was at least one et walking this earth called David Daniels ,this is what it is ,the messages were written by Brenda as she received them that's all .. back to superwave ......

[Jim]

It's basically the same picture as Brian Weiss' beliefs that came from Catherine's "experiences" ... they give her "provable" hard data information and now he's caught too, hook, line, and sinker, regarding a "belief" (reincarnation) that popped up so damn late in history it isn't funny. He couldn't help her, but when he tried hypnosis it all began.  

In a series of trance states,
Catherine recalled "past-life" memories that proved to be the
causative factors of her symptoms. She also was able to act as a
conduit for information from highly evolved "spirit entities," and
through them she revealed many of the secrets of life and of death.

She later identified the Masters, highly
evolved souls not presently in body, as the source. They could speak
to me through her. Not only could Catherine be regressed to past
lifetimes, but now she could channel knowledge from the beyond.
Beautiful knowledge. I struggled to retain my objectivity.

"Who," I sputtered, "who is there? Who tells you these things?"
"The Masters," she whispered, "the Master Spirits tell me. They tell
me I have lived eighty-six times in physical state."

So when you say: "the messages were written by Brenda as she received them that's all .." it's the same thing. I never got any "messages" ... all I got was a "pointing finger" that directed attention to history, and a subject I never even knew existed - "aliens" - I had to figure it out. This is the direct opposite of everything that is floating around out there, where "ET told me this in a dream" and "ET told me that in an etheric fog in my bedroom." Really? Best of English luck with that. According to Brenda: "I dont think the truth will ever be released, the truth is a big secret." "... everyone have some research of something to do, yours is what it is, mine is what it is, whether it is true or false from some other off planetery being, no one can prove anything in this life. We can spend a life time trying to prove things to our advantage, in the end it dont work as people will believe what they want to." That's because, like Bacon said: People prefer to believe what they prefer to be true.

Then, regarding the coming event: "Dont know what you are referring to about the coming event." Do we see a pattern here?

Derogatory? When I read stuff like this all I can see is the human race losing - period. Look at the way things are going today ... and people refuse to do anything about it. 6000 years of nothing but mental manipulation ... because "they" simply take the way people "think" and use it against them. So successful was this method that the entire project moved from a single spot on the globe, to worldwide domination.

Now the UFO subject has popped up, and "they" (all inclusive) have made it THE most CONFUSED subject on the planet. I have done everything I can possibly do to prove MYSELF wrong ... and I can't do it, including talking with two psychologists just in case I "had a problem" - and, I didn't.

As far as "Brenda's book" goes, I'm tossing this back in your lap. You read it - you must have data that proves everything to you - let's jump right to the chase - present your case. Yeah, I can be the biggest pain in the ass EVER ... but damn it, I am SICK of this etheric crap AND this subject.

[sunbern]

I'm fed up with reading just now ,I have read six books over the winter period on this subject and I just want a break from it ( when I have finished reading left at east gate ) obviously I have read both of Brendas books,listened to many of her lectures and spent a great deal of time with her ,things happen around her ( many witnesses ) she doesn't need to prove herself to anyone ,truth is we give up or we go on .I'm for going on personally I like what we are doing here ,I enjoy it and if we are no closer to our goal then I reakon we've all had a good time along the way ,as I've said before your research is fantastic jim ,the links and ideas we bounce off each other are superb ,lets leave this on the back burner for now it may make more sense to us one day ( as it does to Brenda ) maybe it's not about intelligence , that isn't everything we know how to save the planet but are we clever enough to execute our knowledge ? perhaps something else will trigger the answers we seek for now I guess we should move on ......

[Jim]

Well, if that's the case all round ... then we close up shop and move on. The galactic federation may have been a big deal 11 years ago - but even the "believers" in that crap woke up and have moved on. And I'm not even going to touch the idea of "Atlanteans."

As far as her books, like i said, you read them so you must see something that isn't in those pages that I got. I'm not saying she never had experiences ... I'm saying she was flat out lied to. Prove me wrong.

[sunbern]

come on lets get back on over to your study hall..

[Jim]

You need to understand that when I read stuff like that, and then it contains the same BS that has pissed me off for years - I'm like NOoOoOoOoOo!!!

Back in 2002 "Earth's govt masters" were supposed to be replaced by a "galactic one" (whatever the hell that is) ...

Earth's government masters will be replaced by a Galactic one because it misuse[s] the secret technologies. A transformation of consciousness will occur, a shift which has already started.

... did it happen? NO! More bullshit.  

Then - "the Atlantians" - - said that scientific numerology is wrong (WTF is scientific numerology??) and that "numbers need to attuned to the stars." Fu*king really???

The Atlanteans inform that scientific numerology is wrong and numbers need to be attuned to the stars. Your alignment is the centre of3 inyourskies - work it out - from 1 to centre; 2 to centre - from 2 to centre from 2 & 3 to centre; from 3 to centre is your alignment. 3 3 is 9 - 3 9 wherever you look - 3.9 your friend knows this. Governments of the Earth have broken many promises with the our Federation Alignment to magnetic compass is necessary for world to continue.

Ohhhh - now I get it.  

[Del.]

[sunbern]

i cant comment i didn't receive the information ,i can only relay it as it appeared directly from brendas notes but why shouldn't that mean as much to someone one day as e=mc2 ( which even as i type this has doubts being hung on it ) strange or even stupid as it may appear it came through an unearthly channel i don't know but that is how it was delivered ...

[Jim]

i cant comment i didn't receive the information ,i can only relay it as it appeared directly from brendas notes but why shouldn't that mean as much to someone one day as e=mc2 ( which even as i type this has doubts being hung on it ) strange or even stupid as it may appear it came through an unearthly channel i don't know but that is how it was delivered ...

Believe me, I agree ... however, there are variables always in pictures like this. ALL of these pictures from ALL of the people involved must be handled individually and interpreted individually ... there is no "across the board" single explanation for all. Some may be lying, and then for different reasons; some may have mental illness; some did actually "GET" information from an etheric source, at which time said data must be looked at in the overall context it is part of. In our topic there is a "problem" ... and this problem should be addressed - but it isn't. On top of everything there is a language "clarity" issue that prohibits understanding. Logic would dictate that if you were a "higher being" that this communication picture would be easy to understand ... I'm NOT a higher being, and it's really obvious to me.

Just because a present is nicely wrapped in pretty decorative paper and has a bow on it, doesn't mean it isn't a bomb.

[Scottish Lassie]

I know nothing of these things, but I have been on a Alien Craft in the dream state and the two aliens that spoke with me as in telepathy were very friendly. On another occasion, also in the dream state. I was shown a map apparently of places in outer space somewhere. I was unable to recognize any of the namesas they were not familiar to. I am however very interested in whatever is posted about Alien Craft etc.